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Wizard/Elf Wants a Lower Spell Result

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I am sometimes confronted with the request for a magic user to choose a lower spell result. This more often than not happens when the character casts a Force Manipulation spell. They desire to get the 12-13 result to create a ball of force to be used in combat but, unfortunately(?) get a higher result and conjure up a floating disc that is not very useful in combat.

The reasoning I hear is if a magic user has the intelligence, skill, and luck to create a great magic effect, they most certainly can succeed with a lesser effect.

At this time I am NOT allowing it based upon the assumption that in the DCC realm, magic is quirky, unreliable, and sometimes arbitrary and a magic user should subscribe to "Let the Buyer Beware" when learning spells.

Any advice? Is there a paragraph in the rules I am obviously overlooking?

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Re: Wizard/Elf Wants a Lower Spell Result

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I believe there are multiple references to magic being difficult and dangerous. Many other games treat magical casting as a science that's been perfected. DCC treats it as something that can never be fully understood and every interaction as potentially more harmful to the caster than whatever they are facing...

Some spells specifically point out that you can choose a lower level of result -- those that do not point that out are not meant to be manipulated in that way.

You could rule that burning Luck to lower the result to a desired effect is an option, since improving a result is what Luck is for...
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Re: Wizard/Elf Wants a Lower Spell Result

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Some spells specifically say that you can choose a lower result. Ekim's Mystical Mask is one example. In the "General" information it says "the wizard may choose to invoke an effect of lesser power than his spell check roll to produce a weaker but potentially more useful result" I see that it also says this in the "Force Manipulation" in the section "general"

For spells that don't say it, it would be up to you to decide, but it might be good form to not allow it unless some special condition is applied.

However, to your original question "force manipulation" DOES allow the caster to choose a lesser result.
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Re: Wizard/Elf Wants a Lower Spell Result

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BanjoJohn wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:24 am Some spells specifically say that you can choose a lower result. Ekim's Mystical Mask is one example. In the "General" information it says "the wizard may choose to invoke an effect of lesser power than his spell check roll to produce a weaker but potentially more useful result" I see that it also says this in the "Force Manipulation" in the section "general"

For spells that don't say it, it would be up to you to decide, but it might be good form to not allow it unless some special condition is applied.

However, to your original question "force manipulation" DOES allow the caster to choose a lesser result.
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Re: Wizard/Elf Wants a Lower Spell Result

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Look like I failed to apply the RTFB (Read the Freakin' Book) Principle. The consequences of using an app to determine spell results.

However, I do like the idea of using spellburn to choose desired results if the spell doesn't explicitly say you can choose a lower result.
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FSH Professional Ltd wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:57 am ...I do like the idea of using spellburn to choose desired results...
BTB, Spellburn happens only before the roll is made. But Luck can be burned before or after... :wink:
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Yep. Understand.
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