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Beyond Appendix N

Post by GnomeBoy » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:46 pm

Classical mythology was clearly an influence on D&D from the start.

And when I myself started playing, movies like Jason and the Argonauts and the Sinbad and Hercules movies were pretty much in the front of my brain as examples of what was going on in these games.

Books from the DMG's Appendix N have been named as the thematic inspiration for the DCC RPG -- but what of other venerable sources such as these...?
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Re: Beyond Appendix N

Post by smathis » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:55 pm

The first dungeon adventure I ever created was essentially Theseus and the Minotaur.

I don't know if those myths were a direct influence on Gygax and Arneson or not. But they were for me.

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Post by mythfish » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:06 pm

smathis wrote:The first dungeon adventure I ever created was essentially Theseus and the Minotaur.

I don't know if those myths were a direct influence on Gygax and Arneson or not. But they were for me.
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Re: Beyond Appendix N

Post by mshensley » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:15 pm

I've read that comics of the era were pretty influential.

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Post by finarvyn » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:00 pm

smathis wrote:The first dungeon adventure I ever created was essentially Theseus and the Minotaur.

I don't know if those myths were a direct influence on Gygax and Arneson or not. But they were for me.
They pretty much had to be, either by intent or subconsiously. Greek mythology in particular seems to be very common, Norse and Egyptian mythologies pretty popular as well. The fact that Gods, Demigids & Heroes was published so early in the D&D game suggests that this stuff was pretty popular among the early crew.
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Re: Beyond Appendix N

Post by geordie racer » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:43 pm

If I could digress from Classic Mythology:

European folktales were sourced for a few magic items for OD&D

Other sources written about by Robert Kuntz:

Movie Time at Gary's House

Dave Arneson's love affair with Japanese monster movies

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Post by Harley Stroh » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:32 am

I always wondered why a dragon turtle had so many flippin' hit point.

See in that context, it makes sense.

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Re: Beyond Appendix N

Post by GnomeBoy » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:43 am

The Holmes edited rulebook has as monsters: Basilisk, Chimera, Cockatrice, Djinni, Griffon, Harpy, Hydra, Minotaur, Pegasi, Unicorn.*

Do any such as these appear in the DCC RPG...? Or does it make even more of a break from "D&D" and emphasize more original monsters...?



* It also has a number of "Giant" pests -- which seem likely to have been influenced by 1950's science fiction movies (THEM, et. al.).
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Post by goodmangames » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:22 pm

GnomeBoy wrote:The Holmes edited rulebook has as monsters: Basilisk, Chimera, Cockatrice, Djinni, Griffon, Harpy, Hydra, Minotaur, Pegasi, Unicorn.*

Do any such as these appear in the DCC RPG...? Or does it make even more of a break from "D&D" and emphasize more original monsters...?
You've gotta have the classics! The core book will have stats for the classic monsters, as well as fun variations.
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Post by DCCfan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:45 am

goodmangames wrote:
GnomeBoy wrote:The Holmes edited rulebook has as monsters: Basilisk, Chimera, Cockatrice, Djinni, Griffon, Harpy, Hydra, Minotaur, Pegasi, Unicorn.*

Do any such as these appear in the DCC RPG...? Or does it make even more of a break from "D&D" and emphasize more original monsters...?
You've gotta have the classics! The core book will have stats for the classic monsters, as well as fun variations.
Glad to hear it! I love the Hydra. What a great monster.
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Re: Beyond Appendix N

Post by Machpants » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:15 pm

I wish I could remember where I saw it but I went to a webpage showing how comic classic images where some of the art, but maybe more the artist than the designers... and maybe not ODnD rather ADnD.
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Post by goodmangames » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:12 pm

Tavis Allison covered this in his blog recently - this may be what you're thinking of:

http://muleabides.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... t-monster/
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Re: Beyond Appendix N

Post by Machpants » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:52 am

^that's the fulla!
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