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Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:10 pm
by TheNobleDrake
Thought someone should point out an argument between the text and the table in regards to the thief skill to read scrolls.

The text specifically says (in italicized text, no less) not to add Intelligence or Personality modifiers to the roll for reading a scroll.
The table has a cross marker next to read scroll, indicating that Intelligence applies.

It'd be nice to have some official stance on the matter, though I am personally going to use the old standby (text trumps table every time) for the time being.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:48 pm
by goodmangames
Dang, we missed a typo! The editorial crew will be flogged for their failure. Drake, you can have the first lash.

Thieves do apply Intelligence modifiers when reading scrolls.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:35 pm
by shadewest
Eeyow! I remember thinking about that, but I guess I never mentioned it. I figured thieves needed to rely on the class bonus alone to succeed.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:04 pm
by Talath
So, are characters that read magic scrolls designed to fail, except for high level rogues? If that is the case, then I am fine with that, but it seems bizarre to indicate a die that will almost certainly fail the spell check result. Do non-wizard classes add their level to spell checks with scrolls, or is it just a straight up d8?

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:16 pm
by Talath
Nevermnd, I found the passage where my question is answered.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:18 pm
by Crimsontree
Can Warriors cast scrolls successfully? A d10 with no modifiers means they can never succeed at casting a scroll or am I misinterpreting the rules?

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:21 pm
by TheNobleDrake
Crimsontree wrote:Can Warriors cast scrolls successfully? A d10 with no modifiers means they can never succeed at casting a scroll or am I misinterpreting the rules?
I believe it mentions somewhere that scrolls might have their own modifier... or at the very least, scrolls can be written such that when read they are cast at a specific result, which gives at least the one time that Warriors can pull off a spell from a scroll.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:27 am
by Colin
Characters can also burn Luck to achieve things that might otherwise seem impossible.

Colin

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:06 pm
by TheNobleDrake
Colin wrote:Characters can also burn Luck to achieve things that might otherwise seem impossible.

Colin
Very true... but don't burn too much. I mean, is that spell going off right now really worth the greater risk the next time you hit the ground bleeding will be the first time you don't get back up?

(No, really, it is worth it - burn your Luck or else you will feel very, very silly when that "recover the body" check you were hoarding it all for comes up a nat 20 and you are dead and gone because you tried to "play it safe" - that's right, my players, I'm talking to you :twisted: )

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:24 pm
by Valerian J Vortex
goodmangames wrote:Dang, we missed a typo! The editorial crew will be flogged for their failure. Drake, you can have the first lash.

Thieves do apply Intelligence modifiers when reading scrolls.
Do they have to apply penalties for wearing bulky/iron armour, as do wizards (and presumably elves), but not clerics?

Cheers,
KenB

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:05 am
by Raven_Crowking
Valerian J Vortex wrote:
goodmangames wrote:Dang, we missed a typo! The editorial crew will be flogged for their failure. Drake, you can have the first lash.

Thieves do apply Intelligence modifiers when reading scrolls.
Do they have to apply penalties for wearing bulky/iron armour, as do wizards (and presumably elves), but not clerics?

Cheers,
KenB
I would rule on the basis of the scroll type.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:27 am
by TheNobleDrake
Raven_Crowking wrote: I would rule on the basis of the scroll type.
I am with Raven on that.

I would add, however, that if the scroll is one of the type that are automatically cast at a specified level (10% according to the table on page 373) it does not have any modification (good or bad) from the character reading it... you know, since there is no roll in the first place.

Re: Thieves and Reading Scrolls

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:31 am
by Raven_Crowking
TheNobleDrake wrote:
Raven_Crowking wrote: I would rule on the basis of the scroll type.
I am with Raven on that.

I would add, however, that if the scroll is one of the type that are automatically cast at a specified level (10% according to the table on page 373) it does not have any modification (good or bad) from the character reading it... you know, since there is no roll in the first place.
Agreed. And I would keep in mind that a wizard reading such a scroll in full plate would be at no disadvantage! :D