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does it take to kill a 1st level warrior ?

I would think goblins would just run from a warrior with weapon and armor. If the warrior gets the jump on them, I'd think it would take five or more goblins to win.

A warrior with scale and an AC of 14 means the goblins hit 25% of the time. Warrior hits goblins in leather about 50% of the time without ability score bonuses. The warrior will likely kill a goblin every other round. Roughly one goblin will hit per round for 2 hp of damage. It would take the goblins six rounds and three dead to win. I can't see the goblins sticking around that long though.

It might take six goblins, though, as the warrior can crit more easily and perform a mighty deed roughly every third round.

And if the warrior or goblins have better weapons and armor it would change things of course.

Cheers ! I was just interested in comparing the DCC fighter to this cool post on D&D fighters

Those sound like proper odds.

Heh... I'll see if I can do a new one for the dcc fighter. I expect that he will be tougher than a 3rd edition fighter but not as tough as a 4e one.

I couldn't find the code for those tests but I did find the code for the similar tests I did here-

http://1d8.blogspot.com/2011/03/evoluti ... ake-2.html

Now ignoring crits and deeds (which really shouldn't matter very much against a lone goblin as they almost always die with one hit), here is what I got for the average 1st level dcc fighter (+1 str mod, HP- 9, AC- 17) after 10,000 tests:

fighter died = 571
goblin died = 9429
fighter death chance = 5.71%
average rounds = 1.2847

That makes the dcc fighter a bit tougher than a AD&D 2e fighter but not nearly as impervious as a 3rd or 4th edition fighter. The combats are almost as quick as 2e as well.

Not to be picky, but your numbers are a little skewed. Goblins will hit 30% of the time (I know not a big difference), but if they roll a natural 20... that is a critical.

so for 5 goblins... and the warrior hits one on the first round AND got intiative

So on round 1,
a warrior kills a goblin
Four goblins hit on average once (1.2) (with 20% chance of critical) (4 goblins x natural 20)

round 2
Warrior misses
Four goblins hit on average once (1.2) (with 20% chance of critical)

round 3
Warrior hits and kills a goblin
Three goblins get a 90% chance of a hit (with 15% chance of a critical)

round 4
Warrior misses
Three goblins get a 90% chance of a hit (with 15% chance of a critical)

I am not going to step this out any more. By the time round four is done, the Warrior has mostly likely taken four hits. If he does not have a stamina bonus, he is most likely dead or very near death. If one of the goblins got lucky and landed a natural 20, the warrior is probably dead. (14 chances to hit in four rounds).

I think five goblins might be a little high for a 1st level Warrior to take on.

What chart do they roll on with what die?

I asked Joseph about this and he said there would be separate tables for types of monsters like Dragon-y things would have their own crit tables from various types of humanoid monsters.

I think the die they roll should be a monster stat. So goblins and orcs and bugbears might all use Monster table I (or whatever they are called) but would not crit the same.

Katas is correct. We are working on a "master" crit table for most monsters (differentiated by hit die), and then unique crit tables for the archetypal beasts. A dragon deserves its own crit table after all.

//H

Ah ... monster cards, much like the spell cards we've discussed. Sounds like it could be fun.

be careful when deciding that, based on the calculations on this thread, since 5 goblins is ok against a warrior, then 10+ goblins are ok against a 1st level party (5 against warrior, 3 against cleric, 2 against thief, 1 against wizard)....
goblins with ranged weapons (50% of goblins of a small patrol are very likely to have at least slings, if not shortbows) can be deadly.
I'd say that against a 1st level party "1d4+2 goblins" are a proper challenge, while "1d6+2" could be a Risky fight.