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Keep on the Borderlands, Unknown- reprints ? DCC

Post by Blood Axe » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:18 pm

http://goodman-games.com/blog/2017/03/2 ... -editions/

Reprints of old classics, also rules for 5E.

Why no DCC RPG rules?
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Post by bighara » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:12 pm

My guess consists of two reasons:

1) While one could totally "riff" on B1 & B2 in a DCC way, the modules aren't very DCC in vibe in their original state.
2) Since WOTC owns the modules, I expect they want them for their own system.
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Re: Keep on the Borderlands, Unknown- reprints ? DCC

Post by Blood Axe » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:27 pm

bighara wrote:My guess consists of two reasons:

1) While one could totally "riff" on B1 & B2 in a DCC way, the modules aren't very DCC in vibe in their original state.
2) Since WOTC owns the modules, I expect they want them for their own system.
I can understand that they are not really in the DCC flavor, but as to #2- why involve Goodman Games at all ? They do not need GG to take an old adventure and convert it to 5E.
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Post by Raven_Crowking » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:43 pm

Blood Axe wrote:
bighara wrote:My guess consists of two reasons:

1) While one could totally "riff" on B1 & B2 in a DCC way, the modules aren't very DCC in vibe in their original state.
2) Since WOTC owns the modules, I expect they want them for their own system.
I can understand that they are not really in the DCC flavor, but as to #2- why involve Goodman Games at all ? They do not need GG to take an old adventure and convert it to 5E.
I think the answer is that GG cares about older material, and has shown that they can produce quality reproductions of them.
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Post by Blood Axe » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:41 am

Sure they do, but it doesnt seem necessary. Im sure WoC could have done it without them. Its a bit disappointing to me that GG didnt put their own spin on the project. A DCC "In Search of the Unknown" and "Keep" would have been fun. Being an old school fan, i will definitely pick this sup though.
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Post by Raven_Crowking » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:17 am

Blood Axe wrote:Sure they do, but it doesnt seem necessary. Im sure WoC could have done it without them. Its a bit disappointing to me that GG didnt put their own spin on the project. A DCC "In Search of the Unknown" and "Keep" would have been fun. Being an old school fan, i will definitely pick this sup though.
I'm sure WotC could, too, but the expected profits probably fall below their margin. I would guess - and this is only a guess; I have no inside information - that WotC views this as a "goodwill" gesture that GG may also be paying to make. But I'm just spitting in the wind here.

You should consider opening a thread to convert B1 and B2. Get the community in on it.
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Post by bighara » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:58 am

Raven_Crowking wrote:
Blood Axe wrote:Sure they do, but it doesnt seem necessary. Im sure WoC could have done it without them. Its a bit disappointing to me that GG didnt put their own spin on the project. A DCC "In Search of the Unknown" and "Keep" would have been fun. Being an old school fan, i will definitely pick this sup though.
I'm sure WotC could, too, but the expected profits probably fall below their margin. I would guess - and this is only a guess; I have no inside information - that WotC views this as a "goodwill" gesture that GG may also be paying to make. But I'm just spitting in the wind here.

You should consider opening a thread to convert B1 and B2. Get the community in on it.
I expect it's along those lines as well. Why invest time & money in a possible/probable low-yield product when you can effectively outsource it?
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Post by GnomeBoy » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:22 pm

It might also be a manpower issue. WotC can't spare the manpower for a "niche" reprint, but can enlist a third party to crunch through it...
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Post by brujoloco » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:26 pm

GnomeBoy wrote:It might also be a manpower issue. WotC can't spare the manpower for a "niche" reprint, but can enlist a third party to crunch through it...

But like OP said, it would be amazing to have some DCC flavored classics spiced up to Appendix N weirdness!

Several classic modules could really really use up some spicing. The Original module is practically the bare bones of classical tropes for ol adventurin ...A base and some weird caves to clear, a "Keep on the Goodmanlands" style adventure making homage to the classic for DCC would be a blast imho, there is a lot you can do with a simple base near some caves tied to the Mystara path later developed for it into a new mini campaign to boot.

Just some ideas, I would of course buy the official reprints when I can BUT just like Hackmaster did a homage to the temple of elemental evil I think we can see some DCC fun in a classical module, just saying :D

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Post by robotcaveman » Tue May 02, 2017 7:13 pm

Raven_Crowking wrote:
Blood Axe wrote:Sure they do, but it doesnt seem necessary. Im sure WoC could have done it without them. Its a bit disappointing to me that GG didnt put their own spin on the project. A DCC "In Search of the Unknown" and "Keep" would have been fun. Being an old school fan, i will definitely pick this sup though.
I'm sure WotC could, too, but the expected profits probably fall below their margin. I would guess - and this is only a guess; I have no inside information - that WotC views this as a "goodwill" gesture that GG may also be paying to make. But I'm just spitting in the wind here.

You should consider opening a thread to convert B1 and B2. Get the community in on it.

I'm interested in this. Is anyone else?

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Post by Blood Axe » Wed May 03, 2017 4:59 pm

I tried awhile back and didnt get much of a reply. The thread is around somewhere.
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Post by bighara » Mon May 08, 2017 4:45 am

Dig up a copy of the old Hackmaster module "Little Keep on the Borderlands." It's got some fun stuff in it.
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Post by Blood Axe » Thu May 11, 2017 1:02 pm

bighara wrote:Dig up a copy of the old Hackmaster module "Little Keep on the Borderlands." It's got some fun stuff in it.

I have the original, hackmaster, and the return version. Looking forward to this.
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Post by bighara » Fri May 12, 2017 5:00 am

I don't own "Return" but I have the others.

As long as we're discussing some of the Hackmaster stuff, "Frandor's Keep" (the HM Basic module they released with their newer edition) has some nice bits in it too. They removed a little of the parody elements, but it's still fun.
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Post by Blood Axe » Fri May 12, 2017 9:03 am

bighara wrote:I don't own "Return" but I have the others.

As long as we're discussing some of the Hackmaster stuff, "Frandor's Keep" (the HM Basic module they released with their newer edition) has some nice bits in it too. They removed a little of the parody elements, but it's still fun.
Thanks, I'll have to check it out.
I have two edition of The Keep. Both have the same content, but some different illustrations.
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Post by bighara » Sun May 14, 2017 4:49 am

I've always liked the idea that the Caves (or "Mines" in HackMaster) were sort of a humanoid "ghetto." (In the original ethnic sense, not the racial.) You have to imagine that so many different humanoids living in close proximity would indicate either a strong, central leadership (evil cultists) or some serious tensions there.

Maybe there is a tenuous peace, or at least detente. Like gang turf, the various tribes are currently refraining from wholesale slaughter, but if some group of PCs came blundering in and wiped out one of the groups (or seriously weakened it), the balance of power suddenly shifts.

Imagine if the only reason the goblins aren't enslaved or killed by the bigger humanoids is that they have somehow struck a deal with the ogre. Maybe they bribe him with food or booze or something. If he were gone, so goes most of their muscle. It's like gang warfare.

All that sounds like a win-win for the PCs: The monsters kill each other for you. that is until one gang (the hobgoblins maybe) managed to win and take over. Now you're back to the first idea- a monstrous population under one rule. Possibly strong enough attract new recruits until they are a threat to the Keep?
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bighara wrote:I've always liked the idea that the Caves...
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Post by bighara » Sun May 14, 2017 9:10 am

GnomeBoy wrote:
bighara wrote:I've always liked the idea that the Caves...
Well, that's just genius. :D
Sigged!

(To be fair, I may spend a bit TOO much time thinking about KOTB in general. :lol: )
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Post by Blood Axe » Tue May 16, 2017 1:32 pm

bighara wrote:
GnomeBoy wrote:
bighara wrote:I've always liked the idea that the Caves...
Well, that's just genius. :D
Sigged!

(To be fair, I may spend a bit TOO much time thinking about KOTB in general. :lol: )

Lol. Is there such a thing? That adventure has a lot of good memories for old time gamers.

Even though this adventure isn't really in the style of DCC, I'd love to play it with DCC rules. I'd like to see the maps drawn in DCC style.
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Post by bighara » Tue May 16, 2017 5:01 pm

Blood Axe wrote: Even though this adventure isn't really in the style of DCC, I'd love to play it with DCC rules. I'd like to see the maps drawn in DCC style.
Ah, but it CAN be:
  • What is the chaos cult doing in those caves? Maybe they're digging for something (or someONE).
  • Is the hermit mad because he saw too much?
  • Is the jewel merchant really what he seems to be? Maybe he possesses a gem that is actually the eye of a sleeping god that is chaos made solid.
  • Perhaps the curate is in cahoots with the cave cultists and the jovial priest is an agent of Law and the two silent acolytes are actually golems.
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Post by Blood Axe » Wed May 17, 2017 12:42 pm

Keep drinking until you finish the whole adventure DCC style! :D
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Post by bighara » Thu May 18, 2017 11:22 am

Blood Axe wrote:Keep drinking until you finish the whole adventure DCC style! :D
Maybe I could set up some sort of booze subsidy via Patreon... :wink:
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Post by Blood Axe » Sat May 27, 2017 7:51 pm

Id love to play this adventure again,maybe at Unseen Servant, but Id still probably use these rules, instead of 5E :

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/110 ... rers_id=44


Though , using Dcc Rpg might be fun too. Start characters as 0 levels from The Keep or nearby villages and farms.
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