Alignment question

Fenris Ulfhamr · Post by **Fenris Ulfhamr** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:21 pm

So is Law and Chaos meant to be equivalent to Good and Evil respectively? I've grown to understand the two part system of D&D and Pathfinder, granting different flavours of Good and Evil, and note the decided lack of these terms in DCC. I'm just trying to figure out what was intended with alignment by the author for a solid reference point.

Does Law=Good and Chaos=Evil? I can see how that would often be the case...
or
Is Good/Evil written as relative and subjective?

Thanks for any insight!

catseye yellow · Post by **catseye yellow** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:12 am

i think that it is more moorcockian thing than morality issue. chaos and law are real sides in a very real conflict. it is not only about your worldview but about very real and objective allegiance to one side in the cosmic conflict. in a nutshell: are you with loki or with thor when gods go nuclear.

GnomeBoy · Post by **GnomeBoy** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:43 am

Fenris Ulfhamr wrote:Does Law=Good and Chaos=Evil?

I think most folks' take on the game is that this is patently not the case. Good and Evil are judgement calls, given all the attendant shades of grey that creep into the reality of these concepts, and the game accepts that.

Law and Chaos are the extreme sides in an invisible conflict going on around you ALL THE TIME. There is also Neutrality as a range in between the extremes. Alignment in the game is a question of where does this character ultimately fit in the scheme of that conflict. It's entirely possible that the characters themselves don't have an opinion on what their "alignments" are, but the universe cares (e.g., healing works differently).

Weisenwolf · Post by **Weisenwolf** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:28 am

I agree with the above, law and chaos are not good and evil, more pro or anti establishment, pro the team or pro the individual.

That said in most campaigns a character is more likely to be evil if they are chaotic purely because looking after number one at the expense of the group is generally held to be not a 'good' thing. That said there can still be the chaotic 'freedom figher' just as there can be the Lawful Grand Vizier with evil laws and brutal punishments.

Remember the tone is different to D&D "....You’re no hero. You’re a reaver, a cutpurse, a heathen-slayer, a tight-lipped warlock guarding long-dead secrets. You seek gold and glory, winning it with sword and spell, caked in the blood and filth of the weak, the dark, the demons, and the vanquished. There are treasures to be won deep underneath, and you shall have them..."

Plenty of scope for Lawfuls and Chatoics in there

catseye yellow · Post by **catseye yellow** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:48 am

maybe this can help you

http://jrients.blogspot.rs/2008/07/jeff ... nment.html

also, if you can check out aleigance system in stormbringer and wfrp alignments. in many ways dcc is similar to some aspects of wfrp due to the strong moorcockian influence they share (law vs chaos, mutations/corruptions, demonic patrons).

Fenris Ulfhamr · Post by **Fenris Ulfhamr** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:55 am

Thanks for the insights, guys! This exposes the weakness in my Appendix N knowledge - I am woefully unversed in Moorcock outside of themythos printed in the OD&D books. A brief wiki-fari nto Doric, law and chaos set me back on the path- and added books to my wishlist!

Weisenwolf · Post by **Weisenwolf** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:34 am

Elric was Chaotic and did evil things; but he wasn't evil.

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