Goodman Games

Fan Forums
It is currently Tue May 21, 2013 7:04 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 56 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Three Things I Don't Love About DCC
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:02 am 
Offline
Wild-Eyed Zealot
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:24 am
Posts: 86
Location: Madison, WI
Evil Genius Prime wrote:
2. Mercurial Magic. I hate that some of the results can be crippling, especially when attached to an otherwise beneficial spell.


This is the only thing that really bothers me about the game.
My roommate and I rolled up some characters and ran them through their paces and one character ended up a wizard. Randomly rolled Read Magic as a spell, then randomly rolled 01 on the mercurial magic table "At great cost. Every time the wizard casts the spell, someone he knows dies (judge’s choice)." That's just... kind of dumb, and a little daunting for a GM because what if the player doesn't care and just casts the spell willy-nilly?

I love the concept and some of the results are great (got Corrosion Touch with Magic Missile!) but then some results are ridiculous or, as Evil Genius states, crippling. I'll probably only apply Mercurial Magic in games I run if it makes the spellcasting interesting in some way.

I also find it hard to gauge the power levels of spells, but this is a minor quibble. I'd love to design my own spells for the game but I simply don't know where to begin.

_________________
"The Shamrock Shake is a frosty, minty symbol of all that we hold dear. It is shameful that we as a people cannot enjoy this proud, symbolic beverage any more than one week a year. Unless the British government loosens its iron grip on this most Irish of shakes, the streets will once again run red with English blood." - Gerry Adams, leader of Sinn Fein, the IRA's political wing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Things I Don't Love About DCC
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:18 am 
Offline
Cold-Hearted Immortal
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:46 pm
Posts: 1765
Location: Left Coast, USA
nerdwerds wrote:
...what if the player doesn't care and just casts the spell willy-nilly?

He'll run out of people off-stage that he knows, and it'll start affecting the rest of the party!

...and suddenly, you have an interesting situation.

When the dice throw weird stuff at you, the first thing to think is not how it could go wrong, but how it could go right... See if you can't make something interesting out of it, before rejecting it. Stretch your imagination. Steal from other's ideas...

Maybe it not only kills someone he knows, but their ghost comes to tell him what is the magic writing says -- and then it tries to kill him! That would cut down on willy-nilliness. And it takes his cavalier attitude in stride and re-creates the crisis that was intended.

_________________
Gnome Boy (a.k.a. "Jon") • DCC play-tester @ DDC 35, Feb 2011. • Beta DL 2111, 7:00 AM PT, 8 June 11.
Playing RPGs since 1977 • Quasi-occasional member of the Legion of 8th-Level Fighters - Holds the power to play gnomes at will!
Here Be DCC Monsters...

Pbp Secret of Bone Hill characters:
Flavia, WAR, Beekeeper, L, Str 10, Agi 10, Stm 7, Per 10, Int 12, Lck 7, AC 10 hp 5, staff, jar of honey, 10-ft pole, 1 pc chalk, 50' rope, 2 torches (1 lit)
Hector, DWARF Apothecarist, L, Str 5, Agi 11, Stm 12, Per 10, Int 6, Lck 10, AC 10, hp 11, sword, shield, cudgel, steel vial, chest, flint & steel, empty flask, lg sack
Chendris, WIZ, Alchemist, N, Str 11, Agi 9, Stm 12, Per 15, Int 13, Lck 15, AC 10, hp 3, staff, empty flask, 50' rope, 2 candles, lg sack, oil (1 flsk), 1 torch, snakeskin tome; speaks gnoll
Darrow, CLR, Hunter, N, Str 11, Agi 12, Stm 8, Per 16, Int 7, Lck 12, AC 10 hp 5, short bow, 6 arrow, 10-ft pole, deer pelt, torch (lit)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Things I Don't Love About DCC
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:18 am 
Offline
Far-Sighted Wanderer

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:47 pm
Posts: 27
Re: mercurial magic, I'd try to go with it as-is (love the ghost idea) but I'd consider that to be one "implementation" of Read Magic. If you can find or research another version of Read Magic it would work differently for you. So right there he has a goal, find a more usable version of this important spell. (That's just a house rule, I don't pretend it's the intent of the rules-as-written). You might also consider allowing someone to suppress a spell's MM effect if they take a penalty to their roll, perhaps equal to spell level.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Things I Don't Love About DCC
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:42 am 
Offline
Wild-Eyed Zealot
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:24 am
Posts: 86
Location: Madison, WI
ScrivenerB wrote:
Re: mercurial magic, I'd try to go with it as-is (love the ghost idea) but I'd consider that to be one "implementation" of Read Magic. If you can find or research another version of Read Magic it would work differently for you. So right there he has a goal, find a more usable version of this important spell. (That's just a house rule, I don't pretend it's the intent of the rules-as-written). You might also consider allowing someone to suppress a spell's MM effect if they take a penalty to their roll, perhaps equal to spell level.


Those are both interesting ideas! :o

_________________
"The Shamrock Shake is a frosty, minty symbol of all that we hold dear. It is shameful that we as a people cannot enjoy this proud, symbolic beverage any more than one week a year. Unless the British government loosens its iron grip on this most Irish of shakes, the streets will once again run red with English blood." - Gerry Adams, leader of Sinn Fein, the IRA's political wing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Things I Don't Love About DCC
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:52 am 
Offline
Cold-Hearted Immortal
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:46 pm
Posts: 1765
Location: Left Coast, USA
nerdwerds wrote:
ScrivenerB wrote:
Re: mercurial magic, I'd try to go with it as-is (love the ghost idea) but I'd consider that to be one "implementation" of Read Magic. If you can find or research another version of Read Magic it would work differently for you. So right there he has a goal, find a more usable version of this important spell. (That's just a house rule, I don't pretend it's the intent of the rules-as-written). You might also consider allowing someone to suppress a spell's MM effect if they take a penalty to their roll, perhaps equal to spell level.


Those are both interesting ideas! :o

Glad to hear it. And yes, that 'research alternate version' idea is rock solid.

Give it a little time, and you'll switch Mercurial Magic to the "Three Things I Love About DCC" thread...! :mrgreen:

_________________
Gnome Boy (a.k.a. "Jon") • DCC play-tester @ DDC 35, Feb 2011. • Beta DL 2111, 7:00 AM PT, 8 June 11.
Playing RPGs since 1977 • Quasi-occasional member of the Legion of 8th-Level Fighters - Holds the power to play gnomes at will!
Here Be DCC Monsters...

Pbp Secret of Bone Hill characters:
Flavia, WAR, Beekeeper, L, Str 10, Agi 10, Stm 7, Per 10, Int 12, Lck 7, AC 10 hp 5, staff, jar of honey, 10-ft pole, 1 pc chalk, 50' rope, 2 torches (1 lit)
Hector, DWARF Apothecarist, L, Str 5, Agi 11, Stm 12, Per 10, Int 6, Lck 10, AC 10, hp 11, sword, shield, cudgel, steel vial, chest, flint & steel, empty flask, lg sack
Chendris, WIZ, Alchemist, N, Str 11, Agi 9, Stm 12, Per 15, Int 13, Lck 15, AC 10, hp 3, staff, empty flask, 50' rope, 2 candles, lg sack, oil (1 flsk), 1 torch, snakeskin tome; speaks gnoll
Darrow, CLR, Hunter, N, Str 11, Agi 12, Stm 8, Per 16, Int 7, Lck 12, AC 10 hp 5, short bow, 6 arrow, 10-ft pole, deer pelt, torch (lit)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Things I Don't Love About DCC
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:03 pm 
Offline
Wild-Eyed Zealot
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:14 pm
Posts: 73
nerdwerds wrote:
Randomly rolled Read Magic as a spell, then randomly rolled 01 on the mercurial magic table "At great cost. Every time the wizard casts the spell, someone he knows dies (judge’s choice)." That's just... kind of dumb, and a little daunting for a GM because what if the player doesn't care and just casts the spell willy-nilly?


Maybe the wizard should try to get to know some of the NPCs or monsters that are making it difficult for the party? :twisted:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 56 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 6 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group