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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:02 am 
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You may have heard that the third printing of the DCC RPG rulebook is now sold out. That means it's time for us to start working on the fourth printing! The third printing had the slipcover edition as well as the regular edition, and we at Goodman Games want to do a special edition fourth printing as well. So we ask: What do YOU want in the 4th printing? Here are some of our ideas: thumb tabs like on a dictionary; spiral-bound stay-flat binding hidden inside the hardback binding; sewn-in ribbon bookmarks; gilded edges; perhaps an alternate cover. Which ideas do you like best? What else should we include?

*Please note that this is a new printing, not a new edition. Other than the possibility of correcting a few typos and minor errata, the rules, text, and interior artwork will remain the same.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:19 am 
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PRobably too much effort, but I'd love to see the core rulebook reissued as a couple of smaller books. Put player stuff in one book, GM stuff in another. Or, put spells in one volume and everything else in another. Something like that.

I don't even mind having the same base cover on both books. 8)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:11 pm 
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I assume you don't want to change the layout and just correct some typos, right?
I just got the 2nd printing with the Jeff Easley cover and Stefan Poag art folio, and that's the kind of bling I really like.

If you want to go over the top with the special edition I'd suggest a combo of:
    - sewn-in ribbon bookmarks
    - a slipcase with special cover #1 containing:
      - hardcover book with special cover #2
      - hardcover art folio with special cover #3
and optionally 8):
      - a second 400 page hardcover book with cover #4 and more spells, monsters and magic items
      - a hardcover DCC version of Castle Whiterock


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:32 pm 
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How about a different 0 level adventure? I like portal but something new might make this printing more desirable to collectors.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:58 pm 
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I vote for "thumb tabs like on a dictionary; spiral-bound stay-flat binding hidden inside the hardback binding." Both of those seem extremely helpful at the table.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:21 am 
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How about adding several 0 level adventures; IMHO there is no such thing as too many funnel adventures. Maybe the community could write them for you?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:34 pm 
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So, just last week I swore off of buying any more alternate covers. I have the 3rd printing, the Easley, and the Wizard. I would like to acquire the gold foil, but can't pay the after market price.

That being said, I am a sucker for the new covers...and a completest collector. For me, I could be enticed to buy yet another copy of the core book if it had an alternate cover from one of my favorite artists (Halloway, Caldwell, Elmore, Otis might do it). But I would be even more likely to buy it if it included a new adventure inside (Like Doom of the Savage Kings was with the gold foil), or an insert with campaign material, new patrons, or fleshing out the patron spells of the patrons in the body of the book that were never "finished". Other features that would entice me would be a sewn in cloth bookmark, or the lay flat spiral binding like Epsilon City will have.

Whatever is done, I would like it to stay at the $39.99 price point. I know alternate covers cost more typically, but I think to keep getting new players to the game, we need to keep the main core book at that price.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:52 pm 
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Another idea: instead of doing a standard slipcase why not something with a magnetic lid like:
http://bookdesigners.com/blog/the-heirloom-collection
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/WT-COB-603-Coffee-table-book_1286735905.html


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:03 pm 
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Slipcover edition with separate books inside:
Players Section
GM Section
Wizard Spells
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:08 pm 
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I vote for the dictionary tabs and several of the ribbon book marks so you can mark the pages most referenced like the spells of the wizard and crit tables and so on.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:18 pm 
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My suggestion would be more for the PDF that get's generated with the release. I've mentioned this elsewhere, but the page numbers on the PDF don't match the actual page numbers (therefore, if the text says, "See page 200", you actually have to go to PDF page 204). This would be an easy change by setting the covers of the PDF in a different page number section. You can check out my PDF for Stronghold of the Wood Giant Shaman on how this appears in the PDF.

Beyond that... I like new cover art. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:24 pm 
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I personally LOVE the Might Tome that it is.

An alternate cover would be my preference:

A Peter Mullen cover would probably be a hit.
A SILVER FOIL edition would be nice, doesn't have to be "leather".
A Larry Elmore would be a nice complement to the Easley cover.
An Erol Otus would be an amazing contrast to the Easley cover.

An OVERSIZED edition would be crazy. A mini edition would be fun.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:16 pm 
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I would earnestly pay for 2 versions:
    A really tough & durable, travel & table tested, ready for battle edition with a robust but plain cover (leather?), with spiral lay flat binding.
    and/or
    The gilded pages, new cover art, sewn in bookmarks, thumb tabs, etc... as previously mentioned.

In either case, a new 0-level funnel and a new level 1 adventure, 1-2 punch would be awesome.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:25 pm 
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Dextolen wrote:
Slipcover edition with separate books inside:
Players Section
GM Section
Wizard Spells
Cleric Spells

I feel the need to dissent: Some of the spells overlap. And spell duels can apply to clerics as well. And there is a lot of magic info in later chapters. It's not that easy to delineate -- and I LOATHE the idea of having to flip from book to book.

And, honestly, one of the things that puts DCC RPG in its own category at the FLGSs is that there is only one book.

I like the ideas of flat binding, new cover art, and special included modules (such as #66.5). Slipcovers/cases are cool but they run the sticker price up by $20. It's easier to pitch a single book at $40 to players - and most players (vs. judges) don't tend to collect modules to store in the slipcovers...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:37 pm 
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It would be awesome to have a second foil cover (since so many folks try and find the gold foil)

Why not let the community vote on a poll?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:46 pm 
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So many ideas above, plenty of them below and a great many have yet to be thought of... here's a few:

1) A special cover honoring the Minneapolis DCC RPG Society! With a giant looming Arneson in the background against a Mpls skyline.., no one will ever doubt again the impact of Minneapolis's special RPG genius on the hobby. OK, no? Are you sure? No? OK

2) Erol Otis... period

3) Doug has to draw every character ever named in a DCC RPG adventure, including all band members, ALL FIGHTING and on one gi-normous wraparound cover. Maybe with a foldout!

4) A special collector's whitebox edition with several booklets in true 1974 style.

5) Failing all of this, a super-durable traveling thumb-tabbed tome or set of durable booklets (each with separate kickass covers!) would make me plop down some money.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:04 pm 
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Two words: BOX SET.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:36 pm 
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I really want to see a Novel/Trade paperback version of the game like the old Dragon Warriors, Fighting fantasy, Lone Wolf, Malestorme, Darksword rule-books. I loved having these books as a kid and still love them now. There is something enchanting about opening up these books and seeing the presentation in that format. I'd also love move on the implied setting in an appendix because ...why not!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:13 pm 
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A box set would be better for Kickstarter. While some people love them and are willing to pay a lot for them, it's a bit risky because of the extra cost.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:00 pm 
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A stay-flat binding would be fantastic. Dictionary-style tabs (or other die-cut shapes leaving discernible edges by section) would also be super-cool.

Collectability of these things is a super-fun aspect, especially given DCC's "old school" cred, but my vote for a new limited edition would be one that would increase utility of the book at the table!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:57 am 
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Pesky wrote:
I vote for "thumb tabs like on a dictionary; spiral-bound stay-flat binding hidden inside the hardback binding." Both of those seem extremely helpful at the table.


This! And a spiffy new cover from Doug Kovacs.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:59 am 
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How about a slipcase or boxed set with the DCC annual? :P

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Tabs!? Did someone say tabs? I'm down for that.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:08 am 
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I would agree that a stay-flat binding would be great. Dictionary tabs and/or bookmarks would be cool also. If the stay-flat happens, can some of the often used tables (like on the judge's screen) be placed in the middle of the book? That way I could have the book open with that tables in front of me, or quickly turn the book around to lat the players see too.

Personal preference, an Erol Otis or Jeff Dee cover would be very cool.


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Limited edition gold foil DCC demon-skull logo cover!!! Why? Because I cant find one of these anywhere. I might actually find the holy grail before I find one of these.


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