I am excited about Crime Pays

Ogrepuppy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:44 pm

Being 100% honest...how "system-transparent" is this product?

I no longer support 4th edition in any way, but I do support 1) Goodman Games and 2) crime in my fantasy game.

Can I port over the essentials to 3.x/Pathfinder/DCC RPG...?

Harley Stroh · **Posted:** Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:10 pm

Ogre,

It is Mrs. Stroh's birthday tonight, but I'll put together a page analysis for you tomorrow.

//H

Ogrepuppy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:19 am

Hey, man, don't get in trouble with the wife! Take your time.

Doesn't need to be extensive--I just want to be sure I can buy this book without getting "4th edition taint" on me. :lol:

richgreen01 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:47 am

Hi Harley,

Any advance info you can give us 4e players too?

Cheers

Richard

Harley Stroh · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:24 pm

Esteemed Coves, Bravos and Maunders,

The best analysis is thumbing through the book at your local brick & mortar and seeing if it is something that might inspire you as a DM. Much of the meat is system neutral, but there are also a LOT of 4e stats provided. (Answering every DM’s burning question: How many hp does that harlot have, anyway?)

Page count wise we are looking at:

2 -16, Intro and mob mechanics. System-neutral.

17 - 21, Crime mechanics. 3.x - 4e bias. You would need to be comfortable with the concept of a target DC.

22 - 29, Stats for thief-takers of all sorts. 4e.

30 - 38, “Random” events. System-neutral.

39 - 40, Mob war mechanics. 4e.

41 - 50, Campaign seeds. System-neutral.

51 - 70, Adventure seeds for the 3 tiers. 4e stats.

71 - 78, Made men, stats for mob NPCs. 4e.

79 - 82, Vulgar Tongue, a thieves’ cant dictionary. System-neutral.

83 - 90, Slum geomorphs. System-neutral.

91 - 92, Neighborhood generator. System-neutral.

93 - 94, Crime Templates, Boon generator, mob record sheets. System-neutral.

So, certainly not 100% system transparent.

However, if stats are the hurdle, I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.

//H

GnomeBoy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:52 pm

Ogrepuppy wrote:

I just want to be sure I can buy this book without getting "4th edition taint" on me. :lol:

pfft -- A couple saves and you're cured. No big whoop.

Also, even though I have no outlet for using this book for the next year or so, (seeing the breakdown on what's in it) I'm getting more and more interested!

richgreen01 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:33 am

This looks very good! When will we get it in the UK?

Or is there a PDF now?

Cheers

Richard

Ogrepuppy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:28 am

GnomeBoy wrote:

A couple saves and you're cured. No big whoop.

No, sir. With all due respect to you, my friend Gnomie, I will never embrace 4th edition. I tried--for two long years I tried repeatedly--to love those rules, but I can't.

Anybody wanna buy some gently used 4th edition rule books? [/thread derail]

Harley Stroh · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:49 am

richgreen01 wrote:

This looks very good! When will we get it in the UK?

Or is there a PDF now?

Rich,

Thank you for your interest!

Joseph sent the book to print a couple weeks ago. Then it is off to distributors and stores. Around the time the book hits the shelves he'll make the pdf available.

//H

GnomeBoy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:22 pm

Ogrepuppy wrote:

No, sir. With all due respect to you, my friend Gnomie, I will never embrace 4th edition. I tried--for two long years I tried repeatedly--to love those rules, but I can't.

Understood (with a crazier amount of emphasis than the forum code will allow).

...But you're not better now??? I was sure you had a higher Con than that, Ogre...

Ogrepuppy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:54 pm

I shook off the 4th edition dominate person effect and seem to be rapidly recovering. As part of my therapy, I play lots of 3.5/Pathfinder/Trailblazer in an attempt to bring me 'back from the brink' as it were.

Now, let's see....where was that Cthulhu mythos tome I was reading...?

:shock:

GnomeBoy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:00 pm

*closes and pulls Unausprechlichen Kulten out from behind opened Justice League comic*

...I was keeping it warm for you...

Ogrepuppy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:45 am

GnomeBoy wrote:

Unausprechlichen Kulten

Of all the ones you could choose.... :twisted:

Damn, you really are me under a different screen name....

GnomeBoy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:35 pm

Ogrepuppy wrote:

...you really are me under a different screen name....

I was just thinking the same thing! :twisted:

finarvyn · **Posted:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:34 pm

Harley Stroh wrote:

I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.

Player: "I'm doing something illegal."
GM: Ponders actually thumbing though Crime Pays rulebook. "Okay. Roll dice."
Player: "I got a 14!"
GM: "You're dead. Want to play again?"

The above represents my own DCC RPG conversion. Took me about a minute and you wanted to spend an afternoon on this? What, you get paid by the hour?

Harley Stroh · **Posted:** Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:29 am

finarvyn wrote:

Harley Stroh wrote:

I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.

Player: "I'm doing something illegal."
GM: Ponders actually thumbing though Crime Pays rulebook. "Okay. Roll dice."
Player: "I got a 14!"
GM: "You're dead. Want to play again?"

The above represents my own DCC RPG conversion. Took me about a minute and you wanted to spend an afternoon on this? What, you get paid by the hour?

But which die? Was that a d14? d16? These things take time!

//H

finarvyn · **Posted:** Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:30 am

Harley Stroh wrote:

But which die?

All of them die, of course. TPK! :lol:

Harley Stroh wrote:

Was that a d14? d16? These things take time!

Oh ... that kind of die. :wink:

Clearly I hadn't thought through the entire design process.

goodmangames · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:25 pm

LOL...love the "DCC RPG conversion" and dice conversation.

Crime Pays just shipped from the printer...with distributor transit times and such, it will hit stores early April. I will post an exact date once we have the book in the warehouse and some distributor orders on hand.

richgreen01 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:36 am

goodmangames wrote:

Crime Pays just shipped from the printer...with distributor transit times and such, it will hit stores early April. I will post an exact date once we have the book in the warehouse and some distributor orders on hand.

Will there be a PDF too?

Richard

goodmangames · **Posted:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:12 am

Yes, there will be a PDF as well, releasing the same time as the print book.

richgreen01 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:59 am

goodmangames wrote:

Yes, there will be a PDF as well, releasing the same time as the print book.

Thanks!

R

goodmangames · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:26 am

Just wanted to let you know -- Crime Pays is moving through the distributors now and will be in stores the week of April 26.

impcity_st · **Joined:** Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:37 pm **Posts:** 2

Any possibility that the Crime Templates and Mob Sheets might be available for download?

goodmangames · **Posted:** Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:03 pm

Good idea. You can download them now from this link...we'll get the product page updated soon:

http://www.goodman-games.com/downloads/ ... plates.pdf

impcity_st · **Joined:** Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:37 pm **Posts:** 2

Awesome! Thanks!

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