Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

DCC Dying Earth is both a sourcebook and a setting for the Dungeon Crawl Classics Role-Playing Game that offers a portal to the singular world of The Dying Earth novels by Jack Vance. Officially licensed by his estate, the Kickstarter will launch later in 2020 and the product will release in 2021...!

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Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

Post by catseye yellow » Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:26 am

those who have read through Vance's DE cycle know that there was a substantial tonal shift from earliest short stories collected in the eponymous collection to latter date Cugel and Rhialto stories. while earliest stories were more "serious" and in the vein of horror latter stories were more humorous.

turjan is lean and competent heroic adventurer and while liane is cugel prototype he is more competent and sinister (though cugel can be more dangerous to those around him). cugel on the other hand while totally amoral and self-serving is more prone to verbose shouting matches and base swindles than swordplay. rhialto, incredibly powerful that he is, is also a little bit more buffoonish and pompous than mazirian or pandelume.

so, what is your preference? do you plan to mix and match or go straight for one or other?

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Re: Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

Post by finarvyn » Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:17 am

Cugel was always my favorite.
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Re: Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

Post by catseye yellow » Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:57 am

i would concur that cugel stories are more fun but some of the original set were also very interesting (like turjan's story and liane the wayfarer). also, maybe one could argue that the gap between sensibilities of the original set and latter cugel stories is literally the gap that exists between how one expects D&D adventure to unfold and how it actually plays out.

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Re: Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

Post by Pesky » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:20 am

Rhialto is probably my fave.
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Re: Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

Post by catseye yellow » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:21 pm

ah, yes failed to mention rhialto in the topic header. i love ALL DE stories but in some way rhialto is the most comical of three. not that it is bad but i prefer cugel. that said for actual gaming i would go for the turjan feel with helpings of cugel and smatterings of rhialto. cook under dying sun for thirty aeons. serve cold like vengeance!

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Re: Dying Earth - Turjan or Cugel

Post by pulsemeat » Wed May 06, 2020 5:33 am

I absolutely adored the first two books (Dying Earth & Eyes). Every page had some fantastic, insane concept that was dying to be expressed. I found myself laughing out loud and constantly pestering my wife about the latest crazy event I just read.

Then Cugel's Saga was fun in a mannerpunk sort of way, and Rhialto was so dull I couldn't finish it.

So I'm gonna go with Turjan.

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